Comments on: POLITICS: A Big Small Step http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/ The source for local news and events in Utah Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:21:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve Pierce http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-796 Steve Pierce Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:27:26 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-796 Dear Angry at Mormons, I'm sorry you didn't find our site more to your liking. That's unfortunate, but seemingly unavoidable. You are of course welcome to not visit our site, thus ensuring we will not enrage you further in the future. You are, however, also invited to continue reading if you so choose. As they say, it's a free country. Thanks for reading, Steve Pierce Editor, Rhombus Dear Angry at Mormons,

I’m sorry you didn’t find our site more to your liking. That’s unfortunate, but seemingly unavoidable. You are of course welcome to not visit our site, thus ensuring we will not enrage you further in the future. You are, however, also invited to continue reading if you so choose. As they say, it’s a free country.

Thanks for reading,

Steve Pierce
Editor, Rhombus

]]> By: Angry at Mormons http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-795 Angry at Mormons Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:56:25 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-795 I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR WEBSITE. THIS ISNT SPAM. I AM A UTAH LOCAL AND I THINK THIS SITE SUCKS. I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR WEBSITE. THIS ISNT SPAM. I AM A UTAH LOCAL AND I THINK THIS SITE SUCKS.

]]> By: Angry at Mormons http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Angry at Mormons Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:54:47 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-794 Leave your mormon stuff out of it please. How do you expect to get people onto your site with a temple on the front page?!?!?! Good luck dude. Leave your mormon stuff out of it please. How do you expect to get people onto your site with a temple on the front page?!?!?! Good luck dude.

]]> By: Steve Pierce http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Steve Pierce Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:55:01 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-793 Thanks to both of you for your comments. In hopes of avoiding a downward spiral of petty bickering, let's endeavor to end this discussion here as neither of you are likely to change each other's mind as Jon pointed out. (And for the record, I agree with Pete on this issues but think he goes a little far in completely demonizing the LDS Church. Although I certainly didn't agree with their appropriation of those funds, they certainly weren't and aren't the only ones funding the "traditional marriage " movement.) Regardless, thanks for the discussion. Thanks to both of you for your comments. In hopes of avoiding a downward spiral of petty bickering, let’s endeavor to end this discussion here as neither of you are likely to change each other’s mind as Jon pointed out. (And for the record, I agree with Pete on this issues but think he goes a little far in completely demonizing the LDS Church. Although I certainly didn’t agree with their appropriation of those funds, they certainly weren’t and aren’t the only ones funding the “traditional marriage ” movement.) Regardless, thanks for the discussion.

]]> By: Jon Schwarzmann http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Jon Schwarzmann Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:50:03 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-792 Well, obviously we're both set in our beliefs. You can stick with your intolerant views. I'll continue to believe anyone and everyone has a right to organize and assemble to exercise their civil liberties, no matter their views. I was there in Massachusetts when they legalized gay marriage, it didn't bother me much. I may believe that marriage is between a man and a woman (does that make me uneducated?) but that doesn't mean those who put the legislation into act are "evil" or involved in "hate campaigns." Perhaps putting your efforts into promoting understanding and fostering cooperation on both sides, might be better than criticizing those with opposite views as you. You'll never change anything doing that. Well, obviously we’re both set in our beliefs. You can stick with your intolerant views. I’ll continue to believe anyone and everyone has a right to organize and assemble to exercise their civil liberties, no matter their views.

I was there in Massachusetts when they legalized gay marriage, it didn’t bother me much. I may believe that marriage is between a man and a woman (does that make me uneducated?) but that doesn’t mean those who put the legislation into act are “evil” or involved in “hate campaigns.” Perhaps putting your efforts into promoting understanding and fostering cooperation on both sides, might be better than criticizing those with opposite views as you. You’ll never change anything doing that.

]]> By: pete http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-791 pete Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:34:44 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-791 Thank you very much for the clarification. I will now refer to the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as "the" Church rather than "The" Church. I am happy that "the" Church has modified their original report from approximiately $2k spent to $189k. I'm assuming that no additional moneys beyond that $189,000 will be reported in the future. (only time will tell). I would love to know how many members of "the" Church also made private contributions to this hate campaign but apparently that would make me intolerant. Also, I am not intolerant of "the" Church, yet merely perplexed by any religious organization that chooses to endorse its members and their young children standing on street corners holding signs that suggest they are more qualified to define what is a proper marriage than anyone else living in this country. I am equally disappointed by every other group that supported Proposition 8 and spent money to propel forward this disgusting piece of legislation, particularly at a time when so many people in this country and abroad are suffering. Even if "the" Church and all its members contributed only $189,900, I still have to think that could have fed quite a few families. And for the record, I applaud "the" Church on its mission to assist people in need. I only wish these funds would have been considered for other better causes. I agree, there are a lot of uneducated people in California and quite frankly, I was shocked when Proposition 8 passed and was written into legislation. For the record, I am a Mormon who is not gay. I only hope that all members of all churches in the future will elevate basic human kindness as the most important consideration when they choose which contributions are most important to society, monetary or otherwise. Thank you very much for the clarification. I will now refer to the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as “the” Church rather than “The” Church. I am happy that “the” Church has modified their original report from approximiately $2k spent to $189k. I’m assuming that no additional moneys beyond that $189,000 will be reported in the future. (only time will tell). I would love to know how many members of “the” Church also made private contributions to this hate campaign but apparently that would make me intolerant. Also, I am not intolerant of “the” Church, yet merely perplexed by any religious organization that chooses to endorse its members and their young children standing on street corners holding signs that suggest they are more qualified to define what is a proper marriage than anyone else living in this country. I am equally disappointed by every other group that supported Proposition 8 and spent money to propel forward this disgusting piece of legislation, particularly at a time when so many people in this country and abroad are suffering. Even if “the” Church and all its members contributed only $189,900, I still have to think that could have fed quite a few families. And for the record, I applaud “the” Church on its mission to assist people in need. I only wish these funds would have been considered for other better causes. I agree, there are a lot of uneducated people in California and quite frankly, I was shocked when Proposition 8 passed and was written into legislation. For the record, I am a Mormon who is not gay. I only hope that all members of all churches in the future will elevate basic human kindness as the most important consideration when they choose which contributions are most important to society, monetary or otherwise.

]]> By: Jon Schwarzmann http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Jon Schwarzmann Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:04:52 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-790 The fact that he was referring to the LDS Church as "the Church" (not The) is because in that context it was completely appropriate. I'm sure in an article referencing the Catholic Church, one might respond by giving it due reverence by calling it 'the Church' as well. Perhaps you may want to check your bias' at the door, because for so much talk of intolerance, you seem to be pretty intolerant of The Church of jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' putting their nose in anything other than strict humanitarian work. Oh, also, keep in mind that families getting evicted from their houses and people losing their jobs happens all the time, so any effort from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to help these people is constantly going on. You may want to make lying your next accusation towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, because at the below link, they report exactly how much they contributed to their "intolerance" campaign. http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/church-clarifies-proposition-8-filing-corrects-erroneous-news-reports If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was being intolerant by their stance towards Proposition 8, then there are also a lot of intolerant people in California too, because apparently, they voted and it fell in favor of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints viewpoint. Don't quote me on that though. Oh Pete, I had no idea there were OTHER churches in the world. This is a new revelation to me, so I'm going to have to go pray about which one I feel is right for me. Thanks for the info. The fact that he was referring to the LDS Church as “the Church” (not The) is because in that context it was completely appropriate. I’m sure in an article referencing the Catholic Church, one might respond by giving it due reverence by calling it ‘the Church’ as well. Perhaps you may want to check your bias’ at the door, because for so much talk of intolerance, you seem to be pretty intolerant of The Church of jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints’ putting their nose in anything other than strict humanitarian work.

Oh, also, keep in mind that families getting evicted from their houses and people losing their jobs happens all the time, so any effort from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to help these people is constantly going on. You may want to make lying your next accusation towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, because at the below link, they report exactly how much they contributed to their “intolerance” campaign.

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/church-clarifies-proposition-8-filing-corrects-erroneous-news-reports

If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was being intolerant by their stance towards Proposition 8, then there are also a lot of intolerant people in California too, because apparently, they voted and it fell in favor of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints viewpoint. Don’t quote me on that though.

Oh Pete, I had no idea there were OTHER churches in the world. This is a new revelation to me, so I’m going to have to go pray about which one I feel is right for me. Thanks for the info.

]]> By: pete http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-789 pete Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:50:40 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-789 The fact that you are still referring to the LDS Church as "The Church" says it all. In fact, for those of you who have not had the pleasure of leaving Zion, there are, in fact, many churches. While I would love to believe the the Mormons are doing something kind to make up for the the hatred and intolerance they displayed by spending millions of dollars on Proposition 8, when they could have been helping families who have been evicted from their homes and lost their jobs, I'm really sorry-but I'm just not buying into this line of thinking. Intolerance equals hatred in my book. The fact that you are still referring to the LDS Church as “The Church” says it all. In fact, for those of you who have not had the pleasure of leaving Zion, there are, in fact, many churches. While I would love to believe the the Mormons are doing something kind to make up for the the hatred and intolerance they displayed by spending millions of dollars on Proposition 8, when they could have been helping families who have been evicted from their homes and lost their jobs, I’m really sorry-but I’m just not buying into this line of thinking. Intolerance equals hatred in my book.

]]> By: Jared http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-788 Jared Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:25:31 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-788 "the Church showed the ability to compromise" ?? “the Church showed the ability to compromise” ??

]]> By: Jordan http://www.rhombusmag.com/politics/politics-a-big-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-787 Jordan Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:53:34 +0000 http://www.rhombusmag.com/?p=1975#comment-787 I don't think the narrative has changed at all. If anything, it's gotten a nice shot in the arm of much-needed clarity. Because the Church came out in favor of Prop 8, many people jumped to the assumption that it is against homosexual rights in general, or that the Church is fundamentally homophopic. This has never been true. While Utah itself and the Mormon community may be culturally averse to homosexuality, the Church has consistently held a line of tolerance, love, and understanding. The issue isn't that the Church needs to "modernize" and become more tolerant, it's that people need to understand what the religious motivations behind the Church's actions really are, and stop jumping to negative conclusions. I don’t think the narrative has changed at all. If anything, it’s gotten a nice shot in the arm of much-needed clarity.

Because the Church came out in favor of Prop 8, many people jumped to the assumption that it is against homosexual rights in general, or that the Church is fundamentally homophopic.

This has never been true. While Utah itself and the Mormon community may be culturally averse to homosexuality, the Church has consistently held a line of tolerance, love, and understanding. The issue isn’t that the Church needs to “modernize” and become more tolerant, it’s that people need to understand what the religious motivations behind the Church’s actions really are, and stop jumping to negative conclusions.

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